Bishop's chief of staff responds to BFM ban
I'm going to go a bit off-topic here and discuss a blogosphere-only issue here. Earlier today, Christine Barry, who is one of the leading lights of Blogging for Michigan, noted that state Senate computers had been blocked from accessing BFM. It's made to the front page of Daily Kos. The decision was made by Matt Miner, chief of staff to the Senate Majority Leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester. The relevant four paragraphs are as follows:
This last is a good, valid point -- progressives have complained long and loud about the politicization of the federal government under President Bush, and allowing the work of state Senate offices to be co-opted for purely partisan purposes during work hours is really very similar. If I found out that the staff for my state Senate were spending their work hours engaging in partisan organizing, I wouldn't be pleased. That would include advocacy on issues not directly related to the senator's position -- say, one of my state Senator's staffers spent his time doing work for various right to life organizations.
I disagree with the execution, and strenuously. I have to be careful because Michigan Liberal, to which I'm a regular contributor, tends towards even greater partisan organizing and I certainly don't endorse blocking access to that. And, it's true that progressives have been better than conservatives in terms of using the 'Net for the purposes of organizing -- one need only realize that this weekend is the Yearly Kos convention. On the other hand, I think politicians should acquaint themselves with a wide range of perspectives and opinions, and I think good blog posts help provide that, especially these days when most both the quality and quantity of media coverage is on the decline. I don't know how much time and energy Senate staffers actually devoted to online organizing or advocacy; on the other hand, there is utility in having access to different ideas and perspectives during the course of the day.
So, his ultimate point is probably fairly reasonable, but I wouldn't have started with Blogging for Michigan. But, more to the point, I wouldn't have blocked anything on the grounds that you can find useful information and perspective among the political organizing, but would have figured out a different way to address the problem -- perhaps raising the issue directly with the senators whose staff were doing political organizing on taxpayer time and money.
Update, 7:35 a.m.--There are two comments worth addressing here, because they're related in some ways.
Christine, whose blog got banned, says first that there isn't anything on the site that qualifies as wasting time, and then equates writing press releases with participating on blogs.
I apply the Cropsey standard. Alan Cropsey is my state senator and is a flat-out, rightwing loon. During his first term, he stood on the floor to denounce Michigan's two U.S. senators for holding up federal judicial nominees -- talk about wasting time on the taxpayer dollar. The Cropsey standard is how I'd feel if I learned what his staff does during its work day; if I found out that staffers who were supposed to be serving constituents were instead posting on anti-global warming blogs, I'd be pretty miffed. I'd also wonder whether it would be possible for someone who disagreed with the senator's policy decisions to get any kind of decent service on unrelated matters. This is a misuse of taxpayer dollars, and engenders cynicism in government. It's worth noting that this doesn't apply to communications people or people working in party offices, who are by nature more political. Keeping tabs on what people are saying, and building support for their employer's policies is certainly legitimate workplace behavior.
Based on that, I think the ultimate reasoning offered by Bishop's chief of staff has a valid point. His story changed somewhat yesterday, and even his first response -- that people were saying bad things about the senator -- rings fairly hollow. Michigan Liberal, a more widely read site, routinely says mean, nasty things about the senator and his party (I don't; then again, I prefer to blog about issues, not personalities).
If you were to apply the Cropsey standard to Blogging for Michigan, I don't think you could support a block. Although there is a fair amount of criticism, most of what you find on the front page has real journalistic value. I don't read through all the posts (not all of them hit the front page) or comments, so I can't say that Senate staffers haven't engaged in activities that would violate the Cropsey standard, but the front page is pretty legitimate.
Chet (Chetly?) says that because it has an overt partisan mission and because he's (as a conservative, or libertarian, or whatever label Chetly applies to himself) not allowed to post there, that the senator's staff was right to block it. This is mostly related to the comments, the policy for which makes clear that the site's purpose is to build the progressive community through news, commentary, and conversation.
What of BFM's restriction of comments to only progressives? Does this not constitute discrimination? No, of course it doesn't. Media outlets set their own standards of what kinds of consumer comment they will publish all the time. The First Amendment gives you the right to express yourself, but it doesn't give you the right to stake to trespass on private property, which is what Chet/Chetly is, in effect, demanding. Media outlets, especially newspapers, set standards for letters to the editor traditionally based on length and with the basic requirement that the author provide information to verify their identity, but they also apply criteria that might -- to some -- to be arbitrarily based or unfair to one point of view.
Further, this cuts both ways. Rush Limbaugh has the reputation for weeding out liberals so they didn't get on air. Bill O'Reilly has a reputation for cutting the mics of people he disagrees with. Unless the state Senate is about to start blocking access to these media figures, your only argument is that Blogging for Michigan and, to a lesser extent, Michigan Liberal [Mich. Lib. has allowed conservatives to post in the past, including Chetly, who was banned for reasons that we're not going to get into -- either here, or in comments (Chetly, take this as your one and only warning in this respect)], comes right out and says what they'll accept.
Further, under this narrow interpretation, the Senate would have to block both Talking Points Memo, which features progressive news gather and broke -- most recently -- the U.S. attorney's scandal, and National Review Online (not to mention other ideologically bent news gathering organizations that have, in the last couple of years, moved to the Web like the Weekly Standard, The Nation, or even The New Republic). TPM started out as Josh Marshall's blog, and NRO's The Corner revolutionized group blogging.
The question, really, is what constitutes legitimate journalism, even journalism with an ideological bent, and what constitutes party building and partisan organizing. Blogging for Michigan is the first, not the second.
There is another issue that I haven't seen addressed anywhere. Blogging for Michigan had just started a series of posts, authored by Democrats in the state Senate, of what the state could be dealing with instead of standing at budgetary impasse. I don't know the status of these pieces of commentary now, but it would seem more difficult for individual senators to make their opinions on these things known. The timing of this ban raises the uncomfortable question of whether this conversation has been unduly chilled.
It is probably the first of several blocks to be instituted. The Senate blocks many websites from its users that it deems inappropriate. We believe Senate employees are to be doing the work of the people, not surfing the web and posting politically motivated propaganda. Recent national reports show that people spend 40-60 minutes a day surfing the web. We don't believe that to be an acceptable use of time. When certain sites are utilized by users in the system to promote political propaganda, we deem that an inappropriate use of taxpayer resources, not to mention unethical.I sent a follow up asking why only a progressive blog is, at this point, blocked. He responded that another progressive blog, MichiganLiberal.com, remains unblocked from access. And, he reiterated that Senate staffers, who work ultimately for constituents, shouldn't be engaging in political advocacy while on the public dime.
Taxpayers pay employees of the Senate to help them with problems, answer questions about state government and most importantly spend taxpayers money in an appropriate fashion. Obviously, a number of individuals (whose salaries are paid for at taxpayer expense) were accessing bloggingformichigan.com during business hours when they should be doing more appropriate work or else this wouldn't be an issue.
I fully support individuals engaging in political dialogue and having the freedom to post messages that express their views, but when it comes to them using a publically owned server and taxpayer's money I will err on the ethical side. If you were to ask the average citizen if they thought paying an individual with their tax dollars to surf the web and post messages and pictures was an appropriate use of time and money, I would bet they would say no.
A long time ago someone told me that if you ever wonder if something you're doing is wrong, you should ask yourself 'Is this something I would want my boss to see?'. I would modify that a bit for this situation. I would ask 'Would taxpayers approve of me doing this?'. In the event that someone presents me with a viable reason to utilize the Senate server to access this site, I will be sure to take it off the list.
This last is a good, valid point -- progressives have complained long and loud about the politicization of the federal government under President Bush, and allowing the work of state Senate offices to be co-opted for purely partisan purposes during work hours is really very similar. If I found out that the staff for my state Senate were spending their work hours engaging in partisan organizing, I wouldn't be pleased. That would include advocacy on issues not directly related to the senator's position -- say, one of my state Senator's staffers spent his time doing work for various right to life organizations.
I disagree with the execution, and strenuously. I have to be careful because Michigan Liberal, to which I'm a regular contributor, tends towards even greater partisan organizing and I certainly don't endorse blocking access to that. And, it's true that progressives have been better than conservatives in terms of using the 'Net for the purposes of organizing -- one need only realize that this weekend is the Yearly Kos convention. On the other hand, I think politicians should acquaint themselves with a wide range of perspectives and opinions, and I think good blog posts help provide that, especially these days when most both the quality and quantity of media coverage is on the decline. I don't know how much time and energy Senate staffers actually devoted to online organizing or advocacy; on the other hand, there is utility in having access to different ideas and perspectives during the course of the day.
So, his ultimate point is probably fairly reasonable, but I wouldn't have started with Blogging for Michigan. But, more to the point, I wouldn't have blocked anything on the grounds that you can find useful information and perspective among the political organizing, but would have figured out a different way to address the problem -- perhaps raising the issue directly with the senators whose staff were doing political organizing on taxpayer time and money.
Update, 7:35 a.m.--There are two comments worth addressing here, because they're related in some ways.
Christine, whose blog got banned, says first that there isn't anything on the site that qualifies as wasting time, and then equates writing press releases with participating on blogs.
I apply the Cropsey standard. Alan Cropsey is my state senator and is a flat-out, rightwing loon. During his first term, he stood on the floor to denounce Michigan's two U.S. senators for holding up federal judicial nominees -- talk about wasting time on the taxpayer dollar. The Cropsey standard is how I'd feel if I learned what his staff does during its work day; if I found out that staffers who were supposed to be serving constituents were instead posting on anti-global warming blogs, I'd be pretty miffed. I'd also wonder whether it would be possible for someone who disagreed with the senator's policy decisions to get any kind of decent service on unrelated matters. This is a misuse of taxpayer dollars, and engenders cynicism in government. It's worth noting that this doesn't apply to communications people or people working in party offices, who are by nature more political. Keeping tabs on what people are saying, and building support for their employer's policies is certainly legitimate workplace behavior.
Based on that, I think the ultimate reasoning offered by Bishop's chief of staff has a valid point. His story changed somewhat yesterday, and even his first response -- that people were saying bad things about the senator -- rings fairly hollow. Michigan Liberal, a more widely read site, routinely says mean, nasty things about the senator and his party (I don't; then again, I prefer to blog about issues, not personalities).
If you were to apply the Cropsey standard to Blogging for Michigan, I don't think you could support a block. Although there is a fair amount of criticism, most of what you find on the front page has real journalistic value. I don't read through all the posts (not all of them hit the front page) or comments, so I can't say that Senate staffers haven't engaged in activities that would violate the Cropsey standard, but the front page is pretty legitimate.
Chet (Chetly?) says that because it has an overt partisan mission and because he's (as a conservative, or libertarian, or whatever label Chetly applies to himself) not allowed to post there, that the senator's staff was right to block it. This is mostly related to the comments, the policy for which makes clear that the site's purpose is to build the progressive community through news, commentary, and conversation.
What of BFM's restriction of comments to only progressives? Does this not constitute discrimination? No, of course it doesn't. Media outlets set their own standards of what kinds of consumer comment they will publish all the time. The First Amendment gives you the right to express yourself, but it doesn't give you the right to stake to trespass on private property, which is what Chet/Chetly is, in effect, demanding. Media outlets, especially newspapers, set standards for letters to the editor traditionally based on length and with the basic requirement that the author provide information to verify their identity, but they also apply criteria that might -- to some -- to be arbitrarily based or unfair to one point of view.
Further, this cuts both ways. Rush Limbaugh has the reputation for weeding out liberals so they didn't get on air. Bill O'Reilly has a reputation for cutting the mics of people he disagrees with. Unless the state Senate is about to start blocking access to these media figures, your only argument is that Blogging for Michigan and, to a lesser extent, Michigan Liberal [Mich. Lib. has allowed conservatives to post in the past, including Chetly, who was banned for reasons that we're not going to get into -- either here, or in comments (Chetly, take this as your one and only warning in this respect)], comes right out and says what they'll accept.
Further, under this narrow interpretation, the Senate would have to block both Talking Points Memo, which features progressive news gather and broke -- most recently -- the U.S. attorney's scandal, and National Review Online (not to mention other ideologically bent news gathering organizations that have, in the last couple of years, moved to the Web like the Weekly Standard, The Nation, or even The New Republic). TPM started out as Josh Marshall's blog, and NRO's The Corner revolutionized group blogging.
The question, really, is what constitutes legitimate journalism, even journalism with an ideological bent, and what constitutes party building and partisan organizing. Blogging for Michigan is the first, not the second.
There is another issue that I haven't seen addressed anywhere. Blogging for Michigan had just started a series of posts, authored by Democrats in the state Senate, of what the state could be dealing with instead of standing at budgetary impasse. I don't know the status of these pieces of commentary now, but it would seem more difficult for individual senators to make their opinions on these things known. The timing of this ban raises the uncomfortable question of whether this conversation has been unduly chilled.




18 Comments:
Better keep the truth from Michigan employees and the public. Yup, keep'em misinformed, make them watch Fox Noise and be kept totally misinformed and confused by some many lies they won't be able to make heads or tails.
Let's vote Bishop and his band of insipid, state destroying idiots out of office.
Disgusted in Michigan
That's all nice, but this is what he told MIRS:
" Michiganliberal.com doesn't matter, they don't say bad things about us."
So he's not that interested in ethics ... just in what people say.
And by the way, where does a do-nothing Senate Republican get off talking about worker productivity in the Senate??? Didn't they take 2 weeks off last month, and change the Senate rules so that no one could make them come to work? Don't they only work 4 or 5 days this month?
Matt's got a nice post of all the un-kind things that's been said about Mike Bishop on Michigan Liberal, so I don't know that I buy what he told MIRS, either.
If his story is, right now, that they're blocking sites where people have been goofing off ... it's a legitimate point, although I don't think Blogging for Michigan would have been an appropriate starting point.
Blogging for Michigan has an openly partisan mission and has expressly censored individuals it disagrees with.
I have no sympathy for BFM or ML - and ordinarily I'd err on the First Amendment side. If I'm not entitled to participate on either (which is indeed true), you're not entitled to an audience on the taxpayer dime.
If a business were excluding blacks or women, you'd (rightly) expect, demand, and fight hard to have the government eliminate any ties its has to that business. BFM and ML are businesses that exclude people based on their political views.
Thanks for this Eric.
As far as goofing off ... it's not like we offer games & Superman comics on our site. We blog things like the MDOT audit. If that's what they do to goof off ...
And again, where do the Republican Senators get off talking about goofing off? Didn't they pass a rule change so that the Democrats couldn't make them work?
Besides, Matt made himself clear on this:
" Michiganliberal.com doesn't matter, they don't say bad things about us."
The rest is just him trying to create a legitimate position.
If Senators can write press releases and talk to reporters on Senate time, then they can blog and talk to bloggers.
Nice post Eric. I agree with some of it, but not others. As a former print journalist, blogger and House (unpaid) employee, I feel like I have a somewhat unique perspective.
As I said, I am currently involved in a program in the state House you and I are familiar with from our stints in the Navy known as On-the-Job-Training (OJT). But here in civilian life they call it an internship. I’m expecting a call any day now from the Guinness Book of World Records to claim the title as the world’s oldest intern, but that’s another story.
Legislators routinely subscribe to many newspapers; usually the papers of record in their district and a statewide newspaper, like the Detroit News or Free Press, as well as the news services that cover the Capitol, MIRS and Gongwer. They do this to know what’s going on around them, what people are thinking and talking about and to be informed. I see BFM as a statewide newspaper. Obviously there are subtle differences between traditional newspapers and blogs, but he concept is the same. Newspapers and blogs are also used for research when people write or call a member’s office asking about pending legislation and other issues, and they expect and will get an answer. This requires research.
I recently got a letter from a constituent who said he heard when you pay your insurance premiums the insurance company sets up a “slush fund” so legislators can attend conventions and vacations free of charge at exotic locations, and did my boss ever attend one of these conferences. Now, this was the time of the flap over local pension boards going to a convention to Hawaii last year, but that’s not what he meant. I did some extensive research using every source at my disposal, including blogs, but I found nothing.
As for Chet’s claim that BFM is liberal so Bishop should be allowed to violate the First Amendment is ridiculous. That seems kind of funny coming from a right-winger who has been pushing the lie that the media is liberally biased for the past 30-plus years. Even if that myth was true, what about papers like the Washington Times or the Wall Street Journal? And why wasn’t “rightmichigan” banned?
If you follow Bishop’s logic then House Democrats would be more than justified in banning that piece of trash from the House computers for the overly personal attacks and outright lies he has continuously launched on Andy Dillon and the governor. But I would be protesting if the House violated the First Amendment and did so.
As for Democratic legislators posting on the front page of BFM, it’s no different than the editorial pages of your local newspaper allowing your local lawmaker a guest column.
Eric,
I appreciate the coverage you have given this issue.
As a citizen of Michigan, I believe this is a First Amendment issue. Namely, Senator Bishop is limiting our ability to petition the government for a redress of grievances?
Thoughts?
Well, to me, the first question is one of intent. Why did they shut off access to the blog in the first place -- because it was critical or because it was creating a workplace distraction. The first is clearly a violation of the First Amendment, the second probably exists in a pretty fuzzy area, legally speaking. It is a workplace, but it is political in nature, and the courts have traditionally erred on the side of more freedom of speech.
My own hunch is that the decision has less to do with politics than with workplace decorum. I think someone made a mistake, and I think Senate Republicans will unblock Blogging for Michigan.
First, I won't discuss it here any more than to say it is ironically relevant to this topic, although I'll ignore it for the time being.
On to the meat - I think Christine and you slightly expand my standard.
My standard is: Does the blog have an exclusionary policy. Yes. If you find conservative blogs with exclusionary policies, I support also blocking them.
You have a First Amendment right to run BFM or ML as you choose. You have a first amendment right to exclude. Live by the sword, die by it. You do not have a right to demand that government employees be part of your audience (in fact, non one has a right to an audience, only to speak), and, if you provide an exclusionary service that is openly partisan, the government may block it's employees from it on government time. From either the right or the left. You counter-argue that BFM and ML have "journalistic value" -- well, if they were intended to be journalistic, they would have allowed my criticisms of their "journalism", which is precisely what I said I was limiting my BFM commentary to that lead to my censorship (that is, I avoided "conservative" commentary and questioned the "sourcing" of a piece, which is a non-political questioning and should have been in conformance with BFM's published statement as written). If you're comparing ML or BFM to Gongwer as a "journalistic source", I'm going to roll on the floor for a few hours. Journalists do accept criticism, although they don't publish every letter to the editor, they generally don't have politically-defined exclusionary policies; otherwise its not "journalism". I know of no newspaper-run interactive blog that has political criteria for participation (they may have rules of civility).
Communications Guru just flat out lies about my position. He says I want it banned because its "liberal". What a [deleting my own expletive] liar. Can you find a quote from me that could justify that statement? Right Michigan has, to my knowledge, never censored anyone and has a clearly "open" access policy. My argument is that BFM is exclusionary, not a journalistic source" (though it proclaims it), and clearly designed to partisan-political organizing (in fact, Eric Baerren has admitted this is the express purpose of ML, not journalism or purposes). Nothing wrong with that - just not something that should have a guaranteed right of access to government servers or time. And I assure you - I'd apply this standard to conservatives as well.
Let's for a moment consider the most important difference between "news media" and blogging - a difference you guys took Saul's "blog" to task for because it doesn't have the feature. Interactivity. Blogs can be "news SOURCES", but they are more conducive to interactivity (it's a sliding scale - Saul is still a blog in the "diary - log" sense, but its one-dimensional --- my own website actually, quite intentionally, does not encourage comments even though I leave the capability turned on with an unrestricted comment policy, I prefer to be a news source in most situations since my readership use it that way far more than interaction).
Interactivity allows political activism and is two-directional, and has the potential for far more time consumption on the reader-co-participants behalf. Fox News, the newspaper, etc. all go one direction - pure news sources. I'd be hard-pressed to justify restricting either the MDP or MRP websites because they are almost all one-directional sources and the interactivity element is different. Websites without any interactivity neither exclude or include (equal opportunity - zero) - on Saul's site liberals can't criticize him, but conservatives can't praise him or organize with him in the convenient multi-dimensional way one does on blogs, and no time is spent in that type of process.
The University of Michigan and almost all other universities has a policy that bans (and "de-recognizes" for group funding purposes) student groups from having exclusionary policies. While I disagree with many of these policies, that concept alone, as long as it remains "viewpoint neutral", is Constitutional (so long as it only relates only to money going to student groups, and isn't part of a wider speech "code" that attempts to reach privately-funded speech). There's a U-Wisconsin Supreme Court case on this issue - discussing viewpoint neutrality. As long as Bishop's policy is justifiable in terms of VP neutrality, I think he's probably within the First Amendment. And as long as BFM and ML want to have their cake and eat it to, being "activist" sites at the same as "journalist" sites, they invite this problem and confusion. If you're journalists, open yourself up to comments and critique (within civil boundaries).
Antique,
Your idea on "petitioning government for redress" is interesting as it's a separate clause of the FA, but Bishop and all other government offices provide everyone with multiple avenues of communicating directly with them.
BFM and ML are not communications to Bishop, etc., they are, by their own admission, political organization sites.
Petitions in law are typically considered more formal things (notably, it's the right to "sue your government for redress", but also includes the right to submit formal requests for change, and in states like Michigan, to actually submit formal signatures to cause a vote for changes of law).
I'm glad though people consider that clause of the Constitution, which is too often lost in First Amendment discussions.
I also think this case is "close enough" that it is arguable for both sides and there is an active legal issue which isn't fully resolved yet in American law. I wouldn't be against a court ruling that there should be almost no blocking - - but that would make things like FOIA requests of public employee email and hitlogs even more important, and Bishop would then be monitoring individual staffers internet activity, which presents a different set of potential intrusions we would all be arguing. It's very complicated stuff to sort out.
Chetly,
Two things:
A. This is not your opportunity to "school" liberals or whatever you think you are doing. Despite this post, which I put here because I thought it was a better fit here in terms of overall blog coverage of this, this blog remains first and foremost something devoted to lifestyle and the environment.
B. I'm not going to moderate responses so long that when I open them, I have to scroll to the bottom. I've simply deleted comments like these before without warning.
So, consider yourself on a short leash. For instance, whatever prompted this to percolate in your mind:
First, I won't discuss it here any more than to say it is ironically relevant to this topic, although I'll ignore it for the time being.
I think I know what "it" is, and if you don't permanently ignore it while leaving comments on this blog, your stay is going to be a mighty short one. One thing that isn't going to happen is a debate over posting policies on other blogs, or why I don't want people discussing unrelated content of other Web sites.
You do not have a right to demand that government employees be part of your audience...
There is something important and fundamental that you're overlooking here. Access to Blogging for Michigan wasn't blocked because of its comments policies, but because the Senate Majority Leader's chief of staff said Senate employees were doing things best reserved for their off-hours on the public dime.
Even if you take at face value what he said in MIRS (and I don't) that BFM was critical of Senate Republicans, it still has nothing to do with your rationale for why blocking it is appropriate.
In fact, in the e-mails I swapped with Matt Miner about this, he never once cited Blogging for Michigan's comments policy. If you read his statement, he doesn't have a problem with Blogging for Michigan, he says he has a problem with people reading and blogging at BFM during work hours. This means the guy who ultimately stands accused of censorship takes a broader view of the First Amendment than you do.
The University of Michigan and almost all other universities has a policy that bans (and "de-recognizes" for group funding purposes) student groups from having exclusionary policies.
The difference is that U. of M. receives public dollars, and recognized students groups can typically apply for operations money from the university. Your conflation of racism with bloggers who have no interest to long, drawn out debates with you over minutiae with you is, well, a bit overboard. I mean, you weren't banned from Michigan Liberal because you're conservative. You were banned because you're tedious.
As usual, Zarko here uses a lot of words to say very little. I, on the other hand, prefer to use a few words as necessary to make a point. You are the liar because you want it banned because it’s a liberal blog, and that is the bottom line. You should be up in arms over this clear violation of the First Amendment. If it was “wrongmichigan" that got banned I guarantee you would be screaming, and so would I. You are completely wrong to say “wrongmichigan” has never censored anyone because it has censored me, and I have had comments deleted.
And just because Bishop’s PR hack says it was banned because people were wasting time at work blogging there and not because it has been critical of Bishop does not make it true, and I think he’s lying. BFM has only been around since June, and it has not yet built up the readership of the granddaddy of blogs in Michigan, Michigaliberal. Michlib was not banned, and it receives more traffic and as such would cause more alleged "disruption" than BFM does now.
Your misguided argument that BFM is exclusionary and therefore does not have journalist value does not hold water. No where does it say in the Constitution – although I’m not an attorney like you, but I would say even in case law- does it say you have to have feedback to qualify as the press nor can you be partisan to receive that protection. Back in the not-so-distant-past when larger cities had more than one newspaper, each party had a newspaper it identified with that party. The Livingston County Daily Press and Argus was once called the Livingston County Republican.
People like you who are a nuisance are banned all the time, and not just from blogs. From my experience as a reporter I know each newspaper sets its own letter-to-the-editor policy, and whether the policy is liberal or more restrictive it does not lessen their protection under the First Amendment. Some polices require name and phone number, and some even refuse to publish certain crackpots their editor has become familiar with. Newspapers can and have been sued for libel for letters. BFM has a more restrictive policy for their letters or comments section, but mine, for instance, has a very liberal one; just like some newspapers.
For an industry to allow people the space to and platform for people to criticize them is an amazing and extraordinary thing, and it’s the only company or industry that does that. Not all papers do that, and they did not always do it. It does not mean they are not or were not protected under the First Amendment.
The letter policy is why I object to that thing your leader calls a blog. He does not have the courage to stand by what he has written, and that makes him a coward.
CG, I asked you this once. Now again, "Can you find a quote from me that could justify that statement?"
Specifically, what quote from me suggests that the I have a problem with BFM is because its "liberal"? I have a problem with it because its exclusionary, and violates the moral principles of liberalism (and I consider myself a "classical liberal") as I understand them, although my problem is not with their right to exist or even violate those principles. It's simple expressing my disapproval for the policy. And I think there are some traditional liberals on "your side" who at least have hesitations about BFM's policy, so I'm not out here in the ozone either.
And if you have a problem with Saul because he's a "coward," I take it you believe BFM and ML are equal cowards for not standing behind their writing? One can always cut a debate short by warnings (Eric is good at that) or even temporary bans that expire, but permanent bans and banning whole classes of people you disagree with?
It's within your rights, but you don't have a right to your private forum on the taxpayer's dime (a variant of Miner's argument, the two arguments do inter-relate, although aren't identical). That's why I suggest BFM's policy (and legally a defense can be raised even if not raised in a press release) of exclusion itself may provide a separate and independent legal defense for its being blocked. My argument - and its certainly a close one (I'm willing to admit that - though the whole computer speech issue is brand new ground so it isn't surprising) Constitutionally, is that the public through government has no obligation to foster private exclusive communities or provide platforms for their expansion.
This is all I'll say on the subject here since I tire of it as much I suspect you do.
And, with this comment, I hereby close comments on this topic.
Our columnist, Brad Flory, has posting a story on his blog quoting himself and calling on Mike Bishop to block his blog:
http://blog.mlive.com/bradosphere/2007/08/whats_a_guy_gotta_do_to_get_bl.html
And of course, I've also blogged about this issue and wrote a news story for today's paper: http://blog.mlive.com/taking_notes
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